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New SX Ballast System
« on: August 11, 2007, 22:53:55 pm »
Sooo...... some times the stock options on our boats are just not enough. Over the past winter I decided to upgrade the stock ballast system. The fill and drain times were pathetic and it just wasn't enough weight. I thought it would be fairly simple and then my obsessive compulsive disorder kicked in. The system went through countless redesigns before it was started and a few more before it was finished. Oh well maybe not completely finished, but its in an impressive working order. The front walk through bag is automated, but it was a little ugly so I'm currently trying to make it LOOK more appealing.

So here is how the system works- It's a 1.5" manifold based system, driving 5 independent fill and drain pumps. After trial and error Rule 1100's were chosen. I used 1" PVC suction discharge hose. with a little soap and a heat gun they slipped on the 1 1/8" fittings. Each set of bags has it's own plumbing configurations. There were a couple hurdles to overcome the bag vs. tank plumbing. In order to fill while driving I installed a scoop thru hull and seacock to the left of the trans, a very tight fit but it worked well for routing the hose through the small gap in the fiberglass and into the under seat area on the port side just in front of the v-drive storage locker. I didn't want to have to open an electric or manual gate valve every time I wanted to fill the system. I was told that if I ran and looped the hoses to a high point this would prevent self filling at high speeds. It worked well, it's a little messy but its all hidden.

The factory tanks were modified to somewhat resemble the very early SX Quad pump design. I removed the tank level sending units (they were only accurate when sitting still and we always filled it till it spilled out the vent, so why it looks really cool the level sensors were useless to me) That was a hard one to get over, once I did it got a little easier. I modified the opening to accept a 1" barbed fitting and used it as the new fill ports. I then removed and modified the stock fill location. In order to do this I had to remove the fuel tank (by the way this is a big pain in the ass). I removed the ballast access plates and got my first look at how the tanks were built and designed. I removed the stock fill barbs on the tanks and installed brass garboard drain flanges and installed the rule pump. I then enlarged the factory drain thru hull holes and installed 1 1/8" thru hulls. My original plan was to use the vent as a drain and vent with a check valve. When I first tested the system the tanks would never stop draining. The rule 1100's created such a suction effect that it would actually pull new water in through the fill lines. I closed the seacock and they drained fine. I didn't want to close the valve every time I drained, and I definitely didn't want to put a vacuum on the tank on a day to day basis. We all know these tanks can leak. So I now understand why the Early Quad pump system had dedicated vent and drain thru hulls. So I got out the drill and installed a dedicated drain thru hull.

The rear bags and plumbing were fairly simple to install. I was able to use a single vent/drain thru hull with a check valve, based on the bag nature of this part of the system. In order to camouflage the thru hull I installed a black thru hull in the black gel coat section of my boat. I used Flyhigh customized Mastercraft X2 bags with their quick connect fittings. They are the exact dimensions of our v-drive lockers, very expensive but I am more than happy with them. I had to silicone the fittings and the drain pump to keep them from leaking. I modified the aft V-drive locker panels so I could place the drain pump in the trunk in order to have the sacs fill completely.

 The front sac is a standard Flyhigh V-drive sac. It fits perfectly in the walkthru without undue pressure on the fiberglass in this area. The real challenge was how to plumb a walkthru bag and make it look good. With no way to vent and fill this bag without hoses everywhere, I used the factory ballast plumbing concept. The fill pump is on the manifold the hose runs up to the front walkthru area and water flows thru the drain pump and fills the sack. To drain the drain pump pushes out through the fill pump back into the manifold and out the scoop thru hull. Surprisingly there is little to no resistance through the unused pump. I am in the process of installing a quick disconnect non spill connection so you will not see the drain pump and if I want to disconnect the hose and get it out of the way it wont spill water everywhere.

I made a switch panel to fit in the stock panel location and used various Mastercraft ballast switches to identify which tank or bag it controls. The system works Amazing. Fill and drain times are under five minutes, I am now able to adjust the entire ballast system for a specific rider in the time it takes to switch out riders. I can also balance the boat without asking people to move around and I can make adjustments for the rider mid pull. The walkthru sac also doubles as a bow filler cushion and the extra V-drive sac can be used for surfing. I may at one point add about 150-200 lbs. of lead up front to balance the wake out when the system is completely filled, but were not using that much weight. YET...

Here are some pics of the system. I have a ton more but didn't want to bore you. I'll post some pics of the front ballast when it looks pretty. There goes my OCD problem again.

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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2007, 22:57:26 pm »
OH MY god I just realized how long that post was, sorry. Here some more pics
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 22:59:20 pm »
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2007, 00:32:22 am »
Spectacular job and feel free to write as large a post as you want, especially when it's great information like this.  I was waiting for someone to do this job, and I must say, I am very impressed.  Nicely done.  That is the ballast system I wish I had on my boat!  Would you consider sending me the "boring pics" on a CD?   Did you keep a master list of required parts as well?  Again, very sweet setup.
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 06:51:46 am »
Ktown-
Thanks for the compliments. I'm glad to see that my "tweaker-ness" may be useful to you. The project has been long and challenging, but was worth every minute and penny (lots of them). I was just looking at how many pics I have and didn't realize quite a few were parts of the countless redesigns. I have about 30 high quality pics I could email you or if you can wait a couple weeks, I'll have the front ballast done and you'll get those as well. If you do want a CD lets do the later.

As for a master parts list- I don't have anything official on paper, but I do have all my receipts so if you are going to attempt it I can break it down for you.

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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 15:30:59 pm »
Thanks, I don't mind waiting for the finished product.  I will PM you my email and postal address so you can either email or snail mail them after you finish everything.  Thanks again.
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2007, 18:08:47 pm »
I'm also very interested in your parts list, full compliment of pictures etc.

Great job! 

I would like to upgrade my system some day as well.
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 00:04:27 am »
I assume you pulled your DECC when you upgraded your ballast (since the DECC is included in your "for sale" ballast items).  What did you replace the DECC with?

I'm an electrical novice so any diagrams would be helpful on your new ballast system.  I may try something like this as my winter project.  I would like to control my internal tanks separately and auto fill my V-Drive bags.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 07:08:26 am »
Hey Brad,

yeah I did pull the DECC. Each solenoid and pump would need its own switch and I didn't want 10 switches for my ballast system. That's what the DECC does well it actuates both the solenoid and the corresponding pump in order to drain or fill the system. Unfortunately with the 2 tanks and 3 bags I couldn't use it. The stock electrical ballast control system does all the work so their is very little actual plumbing. When I first started building my new ballast system I thought I could do it fairly cheap. I thought " Its just a couple switches some hose and ballast bags right". Wrong, the money is either in the electrical system or in the plumbing system. So its very hard to build a cheap, reliable, easy to operate system without spending some serious coin. It can be done cheap but it will eliminate that whole "fully automatic ballast system" idea.

In my new system the plumbing does all the work and the electrical system is fairly simple. I used 3-way lighted toggle switches, each switch controls a fill pump and a drain pump. There are no solenoids or gate valves to control in my system. That's good and bad, after using it for awhile now I did find the one drawback to my system that I thought I could avoid- The ballast system will begin to self fill at boat speeds over 25 MPH. This is do to a forward facing intake scoop. One of my main goals with my system was to be able to fill while moving and the scoop is the only way to do that. You may want to add a gate valve, I did that on my ballast system on my E22 and it worked great but it will cost you an extra $175 bucks to make it work right. To me the self filling can be annoying but, I only wakeboard and I'm never above 23 MPH let alone 25 to 30. I only notice it on my trips to larger lakes where you spend more time at high speeds. In those cases I close my manual valve until we are ready to board. The loops in the fill system prevents self filling only to a certain point.

Sorry this is so long winded but I know how helpful it is to have as much info as possible. After all it was very nice to hear your experience installing the fresh water cooling system before I tackled it myself. By the way your post just reminded me to send you the pictures of the install. I finished the bow bag plumbing and it turned out even better than I had hoped for. So I will get a couple more shots of the system and send them your way. I will include a diagram of the electrical system also.

Ktown- if your still interested let me know and I'll send them your way also.
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 14:51:27 pm »
Doug:

Thanks for the clarification.  I'm glad to hear your fresh water cooling system install when well.  I'll be winterizing in the next few days for the first time - trying to decide if I'll drain and refill the fresh water cooling system.

On your ballast system, I may have missed it in you description, did you use the existing scoop?  I'm usually filling or draining my system when I'm stopped so I'm not sure I need a scoop further back if I can use the existing scoop.  My main goal is to fill only one side (internal, V Drive sack) and the front for wakesurfing or only fill the internal ballast for wakeboarding.

In addition, I haven't looked at the DECC in detail but I assume other accessories are connected to it.  What did you do for the other accessories without the DECC?

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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 20:56:51 pm »
I drained and refilled my system last year and to do burping, no fun

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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 00:44:18 am »
I did not use the existing scoop it wouldn't flow the volume needed for 5 fill pumps. Also I couldn't mount the drain pumps for the hard tanks and the ballast manifold and the bilge pump and the depth finder transducer in that small area. That's why I moved it to the rear. If your only going to fill when stopped you do not need a scoop and I'm guessing it wont self fill either.

 I only removed the ballast DECC. I'm still using the accessory DECC.

As for the fresh water cooling, I thought that was one of the major benefits to the system is not having to winterize the block. I know you still have to drain the fresh water side of the exchanger, the trans cooler and the exhaust manifolds. If I'm missing something please let me know, I'd hate to damage something when I've tried so hard to protect it.

Curious what your wakesurf setup and speed is?
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 19:23:15 pm »
I went ahead and did almost all the winterization (thanks Pete) and annual maintenance (thanks Derek) including draining the antifreeze.  Since I put the fresh water cooling system, I wanted to flush/drain the system to get out any residual dirt/lake water contaminants.

From the Technical Service Bulletin #45 (S22 and SX Engine Winterization), you can skip Step 4 Removing Oil Cooler hose since it drains anti-freeze with the fresh water cooling system as well as Step 7 Draining the Engine for the same reason.  Otherwise, the other Steps drain lake water.  I also drained the outside plug on the heat exchanger which drains lake water and drained my shower.

I noted in the TSB in Step 5 Stabilizing Fuel that it directs you to run the fuel pump using the bypass button to mix the fuel.  Then disconnect the fuel line intake at the fuel pump.  Turn the key on and press the red fuel pump switch until a change in pump sound. 

I never done these steps.  I usually just top off the tank and add the fuel stabilizer.  Any feedback on this?

My least favorite part of winterization, draining the engine block is off the list but has been replaced with draining the water pump.  It is no fun trying to get the water pump out with my sundeck jack in the way.  Next year I hope to remember to take the sundeck jack out before I do this again.  (Note - the water pump lower hose empties quite a bit of lake water when you pull the water pump off).

As far as wakesurfing, I usually fill the internal ballast, put a trunk (800 lb) fly high sack in one of the V-drive lockers (I don't have a bulkhead panel between my V-drive locker and the trunk so the large fly high sack extends into my trunk) then put a V-drive fly high sack in the bow walkway.  If I upgrade the ballast system, I want to try only placing weight on the one side and bow only.  I usually go about 11.5 mph.  The swim deck gets in the way of a clean wake but still pretty fun.

As usual, it snowed last week but today is sunny and beautiful.  Probably should have gone to the lake one last time and winterized next week!
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2007, 03:20:42 am »
Good point on flushing all the debris out of the cooling system. When I put my system in about a month ago there was a lot of scale buildup in and around the thermostat area. I'm gonna run it through the winter so hopefully it will break loose some of that scale. I'll probably flush it after that. Thanks for the info on draining the system.

All I've ever done is add fuel stabilizer to the tank, but after reading your post it makes sense to get the fuel out of the fuel rails. When fuel is stored a long time it will separate and could clog the injectors. Good info, I hadn't read through that TSB.

How do you like the "sundeck jack"? Does it work well? I've noticed those on the 02 models. Been thinking about adding one. I think my boat might have been prewired for it. There are two large gauge wires next to the engine in that area that are not being used. They seem to run back to the throttle area. Is that where the switch is mounted?  I saw some sort of kit for it in TMS parts. I hate opening the floor locker and pulling the release lever while trying to pull on the sundeck strap.

Thanks for the tips on the wakesurf setup. We are going to try it out this winter while the lake is slow. I briefly tried filling just one side and driving about 10 or so. It seemed OK, but I don't think we had enough weight in the bow. We didn't try to ride it or anything but I'm really getting the itch I've seen a couple guys on the lake tearing it up. It looks like a lot of fun. Do you recommend any specific board?
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Re: New SX Ballast System
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2007, 04:11:21 am »
Do you mean the linear actuator that opens the hatch? Many people don't like them on other brand boats, too slow and if you lose power you can't open the hatch. I have been thinking of adding a solenoid to pull in the pin and maybe even a kicker to open the hatch the first couple of inches. From there, it will open by itself with the gas cylinders. Just don't push the button while driving down the highway!
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