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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2007, 04:12:22 am »
I am pretty sure my S-22 has the tanks as well but haven't drilled any holes to find out. I am looking forward to seeing those pics. If you can, break it down Barney style for the less mechanically inclined.

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2007, 09:20:23 am »
After thinking about it, I think you are just flooding the non filled areas between your hull, stringers and the plastic bilge liner. Yes, the tank areas are there outside the stringers, but they are not sealed, so water passes between the two sides of the hull. That is bad. You can't get all the water out. You do not have the sealed tanks that the SX boats have. It makes total sense that Toyota didn't make their people lay up with fiberglass, by hand, tanks on non SX boats. I'd never say never, but they made 44 SX's. That's not a lot of serial numbers to get confused, if you look at the sequence they left the factory, you can tell that they were out of order, not mass produced. They are each hand built. All epics are like that, not much chance for the wrong equipment but lots of variation as line changes were made. I notice huge differences in the way my "00 vs my "01 are put together. Both are super nice, built like a brick, but different routings under the dash, etc. 

If it were me, and I had an S22, I would drill a hole in the storage compartment and put an air fitting on it. If I could put 10 PSI on it, and it would not leak down (much:) after a period of time (1 minute) I would consider the fact that I might have tanks

I notice that some boats are specd out as SX's and others areSX22's what's up with that?

Capt Rick, whaddya think? You must know more than anyone about what they were doing at that time. Hook us up before someone messes up their boat.


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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2007, 11:45:08 am »
Hey Pete, just a note of interest - mistakes were made. My Epic was supposed to have left the factory with a depth finder but it didn't. Unfortunately, no one mentioned the oversight to Toyota until the boat was out of warranty which is why I am now looking to install one!
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2007, 12:31:11 pm »
I did notice that water was between the hull and the interior liner.I didn't pay it much attention at that point.But I think the  the water would drain through the plug? Is that possible? I don't think so. I should still have water in there.Now to figure out a way to get it out.The problem with the air is you could put a gauge on it but that does not tell you much except you have 10lbs of pressure ,where is that pressure? Is it isolated in the one tank, or throughout the hull and the liner over to the other tank? So the thing to do in this case is to fill it with air and then pop a hole on the other side(tank) and see if you get air over there.That would tell you if have air throughout.If it doesn't come through is it leaking out some where else? The only way to be sure is with a smoke machine, or water. The next step would be to bag it through either a 4 or 6" hole on the top side of the tank.Something like a long narrow tube,to fit in that space. Any suggestions? Oh man I'm getting a headache thinking too much this early .Lets see what everyone else is thinking

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2007, 16:33:36 pm »
Man, would this make me nervous...  I have followed this thread with a lot of skepticism.  I think that Pete has to be correct in that I don't believe the factory would have taken the time or the expense of installing tanks without the intention of using them.   It seems to me that if the S22's had tanks, there would have been a factory option and/or technical bulletin for how to tap-into them.

Don't get me wrong -- For you and all other S22 owners on this site, I hope this turns out well.  But I can't help but be very nervous about the possibility of damage to your boat.
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2007, 17:23:14 pm »
Talking to a roofer he said if he could get a hand in the tank 3' in each direction he could seal it with a rubber membrane.That could turn out to be a good option . I wonder if drilling thru where the top of the tank is would cause any damage.If you haven't looked area of the tanks is very define. I am little nervous about this also, but have not done anything that can't be reversed. But would putting a bag on either side( in the tanks) be the safest.

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2007, 21:05:27 pm »
You could rent one of these from home depot and get some video of the internals of your boat through the holes you cut to test the tanks.

http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/SeeSnake-micro
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2007, 22:12:46 pm »
Thats a good idea, I'll call my plumber I know he has one that we can put on a full screen,I didn't even think of that really good idea.That could help the roofer with membrane.But the question still is putting a few 4 to 6" holes in the top of the tank about every 2 1/2 to 3' will that mess anything up, thats the only way to seal it,with either the membrane or foam it. Foaming is the preferred method,because during the installation or even after of the membrane,it could get a hole in.

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2007, 04:45:17 am »
This might help, hurt, or be useless to you. I just finished upgrading my SX ballast and I took a ton of pics along the way. The pic in the ballast owners manual is not complete. I think its for just basic knowledge of the system. I'm posting a pic of that picture modified to show some "internal stringers" inside the tanks. There is also a cross section of how these stringers are built in the 2002 Epic brochure somewhere here on the site. I cant seem to find it right now, but I know I've seen it. The tanks are independent of each other. They only "share" the liner as a top for both tanks. Here are a couple pics of the bilge area, the ballast access plates and the fiberglass inside the tanks. It is very thick. It is nothing like any of the other fiberglass in our boats. the back side has a lot of resin in it. sorry I could not get a pic of the internal stringers, I'm not an avid photographer and they pics were just black. I do have some very high quality versions of these pics if anyone is interested I can email them. I'm not real computer savvy. I don't know how to make the pics under the 250k limit without just making them smaller.
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2007, 04:47:18 am »
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2007, 05:41:10 am »
El Rayo X has the 2002 brochure in his photo album.  One of the pics shows the stringer, was this what you were remembering?

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2007, 07:55:41 am »
Thats it FreeLance. the width of the internal stringers in my SX appears to be the same width as the brochure. the height of the stringers is the full height of the tanks. So theoretically you could end up drilling into the center of one of those stringers. I don't think that would be a good thing. I did find it a little odd that the stringers were not one piece from front to rear. they are separate and off set the way I modified the pic of the ballast diagram.
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2007, 08:04:36 am »
Now that I think about it I'm sure they are offset to carry the load of what ever is on top of the floor or what is stored in the v-drive lockers. It did make me feel a lot better about putting 400 lbs. ballast bags in the v-drive lockers. When I removed the sending units I noticed that the floor or top of the tanks were not as thick as the bottom of the tanks appeared to be in the pics.
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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2007, 12:38:39 pm »
Hey Vietcong very helpful ,how big are those access holes they look they are on the side of the tank.How big are the holes on top of the tank? that stringer should be in all the boats and just depends if they sealed the tank.Thanks

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Re: S22 Ballast tanks????
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2007, 12:43:21 pm »
hey the vietcong thing came up on spell check for wakejunky and I must have hit change by accident